one of the geniuses of what osama bin laden set up, really, was local groups feeding on local grievances, taking advantage of local circumstances to advance the larger cause, which they can unite around. and as they apparently did in the case of this threat in yemen. al qaeda's not like a corporation or a division -- army division in the military. it's a different kind of organization. we have to recognize that. >> it seems that the leader of al qaeda now is not on the run. apparently the reports say we intercepted some type of phone conversation, a conference call of some sort between him and maybe 20 al qaeda officials. maybe it was an internet chat. maybe there were skyping. that sounds silly that al qaeda would be on the phone with a conference call. what do you think led to this tip to close these facilities and basically how do we know as i asked originally that the coast is clear? >> i think there was probably other information in addition to this conference call. i have to stay, just to stop right there, whether it was a conference call or a two-way kal between al zawahri and the